Umm... Triad, what Triad?

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I first aired this on the Norcap Forum some time ago, because they seem find it difficult to get beyond the triad concept of adoption at times, even to the  point of using the impossible triangle illusion as their corporate logo.

I've always disliked the use of the words triad and triangle in adoption, which invariably involves a whole network of different people and interests, not just three. I find the triad and triangle symbolism a constant burden especially when trying to communicate with the government departments involved in adoption, they sometimes seem to find it difficult grasp just how complicated the network of broken and re-formed relationships in adoption can be.

One of the questions in the Civil Registration: Delivering Vital Change Consultation here in England & Wales was Supplementary Question S6: Do you have any views on the proposed definition of family in respect of accessing registration records? My answer was as follows

<<<........ I can see very little merit in the Government taking some arbitrary definition of family and making it a mandatory definition for the purposes of this legislation. A family should be defined by those who comprise it, and not by the state.

Families come in many shapes and sizes and different kinds. I and my brothers and sisters consider ourselves to be a "family". But we have been adopted or kept by nine different other "families" some of which include other adoptees from different "natural families" and there are probably eight different fathers involved whose "families" one or more of my half siblings also belong to.

But the law sees me only as a member of my adoptive family and my brothers and sisters as members of entirely different families.

I am pleased to be a part of my adoptive family, but it is the least useful definition of family to me in terms of investigating my genetic heritage.

It would be far more practical for the government to restrict access to information on vital records either on the basis of need to know or leave it as it is now with the proviso that anyone who feels that access to their records will endanger them can seek a Confidentiality Order.

However if the Government does decide that it is essential to have a definition of family, that definition should be as wide as possible, to include people who are related whether by blood or by adoption. In terms of blood relationship, access to cause of death information should be extended to aunt, uncle, niece, nephew, cousin, and second cousin relationships.....>>>

Since I first wrote this, I've become involved in trying to find my agnate siblings by several other mothers that my father had relationships with. It is very difficult it  to get civil servants and their Ministers to understand all of this when those of us who are supposed to understand it, all continue using the over simplified language that we often do, and I'm probably just as guilty as everyone else. Sorry to ramble on but In my opinion we really do have to be more thoughtful about the terminology that we use. I don't that mind what first mothers call themselves, but calling a thing that is as multifactorial as adoption and those affected by it is farcical

Then of course there's the politics, as I've seen Ron point out on alt.adoption  http://bbchurch.blogspot.com/  The Triad is a Five-legged Stool...

Well I'm recycling there, but wondered what you all think here, doesn't the word 'triad' really confuse what adoption is all about, when think about it adoption is just fixed form of fostering (or least it should be if get the 'lets pretend it's really ours' element of adoption), would you describe fostering as a 'triad'

Robin

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Slopes of confusion

Which is thicker:  blood, water or ink?  For the adoptee, the ink on the document that seals the final arrangement is far more securing than any biologic or emotional tie.  Damn the tears of frustration, they mean nothing, and frig the blood tests, the signature says, the child was paid in full, so that is that, damn it!

The triangle can be seen in American currency, BTW.  Some weird emblem placed among all the pictures.  If ever you're bored, take a gander.

The adoption scheme would run perfectly had they thought of one tiny detail:  Children DO have minds of their own, and eventually, they grow-up.  Some even speak their minds.

Damn us loud mouth independent thinking bastards.

They didn't count on us surviving the scam, did they?

As far as foster-care fitting in within the triangulation, I believe foster-care was designed to act as a temporary living arrangement/condition for an emergency situation, in which a child had no family to care for him/her during times of profound loss or abuse.  Am I mistaken in my understanding in the system as it was designed to be?

Fantasy and figments of THEIR imagination!

"Triad".  HA!  Don't make me laugh.  Another attempt by the agencies to make black and white facts colorful with language deception.

How many mothers does it take to birth a child?

ONE.

How many fathers does it take to father a child?

Slut or snake?  That is the question, now, isn't it?

What child DOESN'T ask his/her mother, "what was it like the day I was born?"

Adoption agencies had to get creative with black and white reasoning.  Triad-thinking was the best they could come-up with.  When in doubt, bring a third-party to fuck with a child's mind, but make sure it's 'another woman'.

God forbid it's the men.

Robin, how many different fathers do you and your siblings have?

What does that say?  You all come from the same mother?

Why did they - the men,  keep running away?

Why is the answer to "the problem" outside child placement?

And why do children have to leave it to their own imaginations to figure out what really happened?

More a question of how many mothers.....


Hi Kerry

> Robin, how many different fathers do you and your siblings have?

My current problem is finding out how many mothers me and my siblings had?

It's easier to find out about other maternal siblings who were adopted separately in the UK now than it was a few years ago, still very difficult when I was searching

I know that my alleged father was being chased for maintenance payments for 3 other kid at least, as his later kids only know about two of them who was the third. They think No 3 may refer to a younger one he had with another woman after he married their mother but I think that's No 4 or No6 if we include me and my brother. Barnardo's have all the info to sort that mess out but will not share it.  Why the secrecy after 50 years?

Robin

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Why the secrecy?

Because the shame and blame is the legal mess parental replacement has become, and children were not supposed to ask questions.  How dare you defy the system and ask, you rotten ungrateful bastard!

Haven't you seen or read Harry Potter?  Don't you know what happens when you open Pandora's Box?

Someone is bound to get hurt.

"Better you than me", bleeds the church and state.

Immaculate Mary and Illegitimate Jesus

The Trinity came after Jesus was born.  Father, Son, and the spirit that dwelled between them.  It's been explained to me that trinity should be seen as an egg:  you can't have one without the other.  No part can be separated.

Makes me wonder, did Jesus EVER claim Joseph to be his natural father, or did he always know God was his one and only father?

 

Joseph, the "other father"

I was raised Catholic, so that meant the story of the nativity got shoved down my throat, whether I liked it or not.  (Among other things, too, mind you.)

I found the following easy-to-read version of new-testament Jospeh, as it pertains to Jesus.  Odd thing is, after Jesus' 12 birthday, there was no more word about Joseph.  Strange, isn't it?

Joseph and Baby Jesus - What was Joseph's role?

 http://www.allaboutgod.com/joseph-and-baby-jesus-faq.htm


The story of Joseph and the baby Jesus offers a powerful account of Joseph’s entrusted role. In the Gospels, we are given the story of Mary’s miraculous conception and what is known worldwide as the Nativity. We can see from this record that Joseph was indeed to play a vital role as guardian of our Savior.

Every birth is truly a miracle and every newborn baby is a gracious gift from God. But over 2000 years ago the world was given the most miraculous birth of all -- God sent His Son in the flesh to be born to a betrothed couple from Nazareth. Mary, a young virgin, was visited by a heavenly messenger and told that she was chosen to bear the Son of God through the Holy Spirit. Joseph was a very faithful man and obeyed the Laws of God. Naturally, Joseph assumed Mary had been unfaithful and according to law she could have faced death for such a shameful act. He loved Mary but decided he must divorce her.

Then the Lord sent another messenger (or angel) to speak to Joseph in a dream. God confirmed Mary’s story of this divine conception (Matthew 1:19-20). Joseph was fully convinced and accepted task God lay before him.

  • Joseph faithfully and obediently took Mary as his wife (Matthew 1:24).
  • Joseph honored Mary’s virginity until after the birth (Matthew 1:25).
  • After the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem, Joseph took the child according to Mosaic law to the temple in Jerusalem to be presented to the Lord (Luke 1:21-27).
  • Joseph received another visit from an angel and obeyed the warning, fleeing to Egypt. This was an escape from Herod’s decree to kill all the males under the age of two (In hopes of destroying the young Messiah. (Matthew 2:13-14). After Herod’s death, the Lord instructed Joseph to return to Israel where Jesus grew into an amazing and wise young boy beyond his years (Luke 2:39-40).

Joseph was a loving man who obediently took care and charge of the infant and his mother in every way a natural father would have. He protected them, provided for them, and raised his son in the ways according to the Hebrew faith. He sought and obeyed God in every way to care for the baby who would become known as Jesus Christ. God indeed seems to have chosen Joseph as well as Mary.

His role was Guardian

According to Jewish law, a boy becomes a man at the age of 12.

Much gets glossed-over during the midnight mass version of the nativity scene, but according to the Bible, Joseph was hardly the happy-go-lucky man going along with this plan God had for him and Mary.  Can you blame the  poor guy?

Maybe Joseph was the first man to craft-up the prenuptial agreement! :

http://www.allaboutgod.com/joseph-the-father-of-jesus-faq.htm

Joseph was a direct descendant from David. He was a gracious man who kept the laws of Judaism and was well respected. He was a man of meager means but none the less, an honorable and faithful man. Skilled as a carpenter in the small town of Nazareth, Joseph spent time teaching his son the trade as well as providing spiritual training. Jesus is very often described as working and being taught by Joseph in his carpenter’s shop. This was an inherited occupation Jesus performed before going into His ministry.

Joseph observed the Holy Days and Hebrew Feast with his family as shown in Luke 2:41-42. “Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Passover festival. When Jesus was twelve years old, they attended the festival as usual.” We also know that through Joseph’s sensitivity and obedience to God, he fulfilled the role of protector and guardian of Jesus. He enacted the role of ‘father’ admirably in every way. Little detail of Joseph is given in the Gospels so because Jesus entrusted Mary to the care of John, it is speculated that Joseph may have died a natural death between their visit to the temple when Jesus was twelve (Luke 2:41-51) but before the Baptism of Jesus when He was thirty (Mark 1:9-11).

It is clear that others recognized Joseph as the legal father of Jesus in verses such as John 1:45. Joseph's influence during those early years must have been incredible. When Jesus spoke of God as being like a loving Father, he could draw from his youth the kind of love he had from Joseph. Joseph stands as a testimony to the value of integrity, obedience, faithfulness, and especially to honoring the entrusted role of "fatherhood.”

I always thought Triads

I always thought Triads were chinese mafia type?.. Maybe its not a bad word after all.

It's all in the language we keep, I suppose

Triad, tribe, tied, tried... whatever is true for some, certainly is not true for the child misplaced by mafia-mob-thinking, that's for sure!

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I like picking through the videos to see how far we have come in terms of "family values", and you know what?  Adoption has not changed the moral climate of our society.  In fact, I believe it has made us more detached.

Any time money comes before mother and child, one has to question the moral decency of a human being.

What makes a man in my mind?  One who admits weakness, need and fault.  There's a video, "Sorry, blame it on me" that I think beautifully illustrates remorse in a relationship.  This is not featured nearly enough in real-life, is it?

Adoption, and child placement seems to think permanency is a fixed solution to changing problems in human relationships.  The cost of living and loving cannot be at the price of a child, yet that's exactly what has happened time after time.

Who's fault is that?

OURS?

Tried and therefore true?

I suppose, too, if a person uses a term long enough, and sells it as something that "goes with the territory", one is more likely to accept the bullshit of odd numbering in family dynamics.

AA 12-Step Programs have a phrase they use during their support meetings:  "Think before you drink".

Lawyers do the same:  "Think before it's put in ink".

The laws of nature operate by a whole differen code, but blood and water can't disolve the bond law and ink seem to provide.

So much for the Good Fight, eh, my fellow bastards? 

Tell me, are we tired of the triad yet?

 

Who Birthed The Triad

I wonder where this whole Triad thinking is coming from. Checking it up on the internet I read people calling themselves a member of the adoption Triad, as if belonging to some secret brotherhood. There are all sorts of support groups claiming to give hope and comfort; and I found some critical voices too, regarding the use of the terminology. The origin of the term I cannot find, though. Who birthed the Triad? I bet it was a man.

I don't consider myself a member of a triad, never felt that way. There is nothing shared among the constituents of the so-called triad. It is a triangle defined by the absence of a line between the dots. It's seems so contrived to me, as if there actually are bonds between the three actors in the triad. How many adopters and natural parents know one another and if so, how many maintain a relationship with one another and if so,is that a healthy situation?

When I was little and still had to figure out what playing was all about, one of the first things I discovered was "three is a crowd". Playing with 5 or 6 can be fun, playing one on one can be fun, but three never works out. There is always someone being left out. That's what I see in the adoption triad configuration too. Once two parties in the field team up the remaining party is left out all alone.

"Odd man out"...

This is based on The Other Woman; The Other Mother.

"Search and Reunion"?

Why should such an act be done?

WHY should mother  father and child have to pay strangers to be reunited?  Because it feels so good?  I don't think so!

If repair needs to be made, if damage is done during the early years, why does a child's name and birth certificate have to be altered?  Why does family lineage have to change?  That makes no sense.

Did the church and state give it  (adoption, as a practice) THAT much thought before they set up their first houses for unwed mothers?

I wonder whose charity cases they are serving.  In whose name are deeds and services being rendered when mother and child are being surrendered, to strangers in strange lands with strange hands.

However, God forbid we ask such leading questions!

Touched

By all means ask those questions! Cause if we don't address the core issue at hand, we will always keep these contrived constructions as the Triad.

By the way who ever invented the phrase "touched by adoption". I've never felt it as a touch. I see adoption as too destructive a force to only be touched by it. Besides it sounds too much like "touched by an angel"

how about...

Bludgeoned like a royal MF bastard!

touched

Yep, about sums it up

Hi Tina

Reminds me of the SWs when you go for 'Birth Records Counselling', who want to know 'how it was' 'because they're working in placement now and it 'might help them to know', well actually I suppose it might, but yer feel like dumping them in the nearest bin because if they were going to be any good at counselling grown up adopted people they'd know the full range of 'how it was' before they were allowed to the job. It's patronising enough that anyone adopted before Nov 1975 in England & Wales is supposed to have counselling before being allowed a copy of their OBC

Wish I'd had bin to throw some of them in, but then, suppose I'd have been labelled too 'challenging' to know who I'm related to, its taken nearly its take a THIRD of my life and a large slice of my wealth to find out what I've found so far and still I have to go cap in hand to someone who doesn't have clue despite all those other adoptees they've asked, all us "Stakeholders" who were asked what we thought in the "Consultation" seem to have been ignored to a large extent. Then, adoption social workers, agency managers, court staff etc etc were also "Stakeholders" . I think some "Stakeholders" were more equal than others, to paraphrase one my fave writers

Robin

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